I just read an article today talking about a group of New Zealanders who fancy themselves as so-called “vegansexuals” - that is, they only have sex with other vegans. Supposedly this all stems from them not wanting to be exposed to people who have “filled themselves with decomposing carcasses”. This begs the question… what the heck is wrong with vegans?
A rudimentary perusing of the vegans’ literature and “statements of faith” [my term] will shock most sensible people. While the pursuit of humane treatment for animals is noble - and something I greatly agree with - the thought that by simply not eating meat, fish, or dairy (and actually a bazillion other things you’d never think were animal-related) you are avoiding negatively affecting the natural environment and the animal kingdom is laughable… laughable in a riotous hyena-slapping kind of way [and I recommend a little more iron from red meat might stimulate the brain waves into clearer thinking].
You see… as a living creature ourselves, humans consume their surroundings. We breath the surrounding oxygen… we eat the surrounding plants and animals (mmm… tasty animals)… we occupy the surrounding shelter. We actively displace the natural environment - be it plant or animal - that would otherwise occupy our space… and we consume the food and resources that would otherwise sustain that nature we are displacing. We partake in a society that burns fossil fuels. Every day we live pollutes the land. We are the antithesis of environmentally-friendly.
So the very existence of a vegan is a paradox at best… and vegans having children is outright hypocrisy. Each living vegan is negatively impacting the plant and animal kingdom. The only way to really, truly stop adversely affecting the environment is to kill yourself. So any vegan who is spreading their “faith” has obviously not killed themselves, and decided that selfishly living in knowing exploitation of nature is better… and should thus not be taken very seriously.
And besides… if we weren’t meant to eat animals, why are so many made of steak? 
Those wishing to truly help nature and the animal kingdom should visit Ted Nugent’s hunting website or Easy Wild Game Recipes.
Web designer and developer. Loud discerner. Software engineer and 
Your approach to criticising veganism is very faulty and common of someone who doesn’t quite understand the philosophy in itself. If you criticise veganism with a “utopian paradigm” of course you come up with the startling conclusion that veganism is not in fact a perfect solution to the problems of the world. Veganism and animal rights seeks to greatly reduce animal explotation, bodily, and worldy harm of living beings.
Adam- WarAxe is not criticizing veganism for not being perfect, but that it is a set of wispy notions built on faulty assumptions that only serves to make those people who label themselves as such feel good about themselves. I’ll not rehash The argumentsin the original post, but here are some others. First, what about plants. Plants are just as alive as animals, and when we eat or wear them we are directly harming living beings. And you can imagine what I could say about the untold billions of bacteria living and dying around you daily. Second, I would think that a humane farm that harvested milk and eggs would be the most acceptable. No animals are exploited, bodily or worldly harmed. (and having first-hand knowledge of farm animals, milk-cows are not unhappy). A somewhat more consistent philosophy would be to eat ONLY those products coming from animals or plants which are renewable - eggs and milk and fruits and nuts - and clothing oneself in only wool. Now I say this is only only a bit more consistent because, as WarAxe said, our existence means that we impact the environment and animals (and plants and bacteria) will suffer and die for it, and if you are really serious about not harming another living thing, then might I suggest a gallon of antifreeze or carbon monoxide inhalation, both painless.
Now I am all for reducing suffering. And truthfully, deer are better off if we hunt them. We have killed off the wolves and now there are too many deer, and they starve.And the do not starve by just the excess amount. Example - if there is enough food for 10 and there are 20 deer, there are not ten healthy deer and ten skeletal deer, there are 20 half-fed deer. A true animal lover would go out today, buy a rifle or shot-gun, and relish his (or her) venison tenderloin in the morning.
@ Adam :: I would say that it *is* my understanding of the philosophy itself that drives my criticism. I have no issue with vegan practices… but vegans have issue with my practices, and that’s where their philosophy becomes fair game [pardon the pun]. What could be more of a “utopian paradigm” than the principles behind veganism? And that’s really what this is all about. Veganism is “feel-good” behavior driven by a failure to accept the order of things (and probably failure to accept the second law of thermodynamics).
@ Montane :: Wow… I couldn’t have said it better myself. Great points all around. Especially good illustration of the neo-symbiotic relationship between farm animals and farmers… a correlation the vegans outright reject. But that demonstrates the “kookiness” of the belief system. Like you said, I could understand dietary eccentricities based on personal preference… but not wearing silk because silkworms “feel pain”? Not wearing iridescent eye shadow because it’s made of insect wings? No beer because it’s clarified with fish swim bladders? No apples because they’re shellac-ed with insect resin? No dried bananas because they’re dipped in honey? And what’s wrong with honey?
Oh yes… I hadn’t even touched on the plant kingdom - who the vegan community sees fit to ravage for its own sustenance.
Hey, if farm animals reproduce (by any means), doesn’t that make them a renewable energy source?
I liked your comment so much (if we weren’t meant to eat animals, why are so many made of steak?) that i took it for my tagline. Hope you don’t mind. I DO love to burn cowflesh on my grill.
The thing I find ironic is that most of the people I’ve talked to who are concerned with the welfare of animals to the point of activism of one type or another are also champions of “a woman’s right to choose”. Why is it baby humans don’t warrant at least the same concern as baby seals?
@ Gary :: Have fun with it!
@ capo :: Yeah, an excellent point. The more I listen to “them” the more illogic I hear.
Brilliant, I’ve come to be incredibly fond of your posts.
@ Ben ::
Thanks. Keep visiting… in a few weeks when i get a new design up I’ll probably be spouting short bursts of sharp-reason much more frequently.
GARY…..how dare you treat the flesh of dead animals with such blantant disrespect. Burning it on your BBQ grill!!! May your hands rot off at the wrists. It is…”Medium Well” please
“Vegitarian is and old indian word….for lousy hunter. Vegan is the an old indian word for….crazy lousy hunter.” unknown
Loved this post. I know a Vegan or two and you’re right - its all about “feeling good” at its base. Many ways the Veganism in my observation meets a religious impulse for those who otherwise don’t believe in such things.
Personally I don’t care what others choose to eat or not eat - me I’ve got a pretty broad palate when it comes to food and as Anthony Bourdain has stated: “This is anti-curiosity and anti-human” to paraphrase.
Veganism seems to me to be just a religious and more extreme form of leftist environmentalism.
Oh man, that photo is making me soooo hungry!
I’d say with vegans it’s not so much feeling good, but feeling superior.
You know what vegans find leg-slappingly funny (or at the very least, absolutely tiresome)? …Pretty much all the statements that this fine gathering of gentleman have made. None of these arguments are unique, nor are they intelligent. Thankfully vegans are accustomed to this sort of behaviour, thus goes the rules of truth (As per “Earthlings”):
1) Ridicule
2) Violent Opposition
3) Acceptance
You my friends, are having a pretty great time laughing it up with your buddies at the vegan collective’s expense. Pretty status quo. The government and corporations certainly take care of the violent opposition bit, so hopefully you’ll stay out of that arena. Thanks for you thoughts, but I always wonder what you guys are so afraid of? You obviously feel pretty threatened for some reason.
Just because you can’t do everything, doesn’t mean you should do nothing and then find your own apathy amusing.
@moo
Your name sounds tasty… but I’ll try and respond despite the distraction.
Your comments are highly amusing… and bereft of any logical line of reasoning to support your “points” (which is how I know you’re an actual vegan and not just a vegetarian).
I love how you start off with sexism… mix in some random insults… and then finish off with a demi-glaze of condescension. Ha!
Is this typical of all Canadian gals, or just the vegan ones? [ooooh check it out.. some stereotyping of my own!]
And BTW, plants have feelings, too, ya know.
I didn’t take the time to look at all your names, but with names such as, John, Raymond, Ben, Gary, and WarAxe, I couldn’t help but assume that you were all men.
I was working on more of a response, but I know that it’s not worth it.
Not to sound too trite, but you would have done better to respond to one of the many points already put forth with your opposing viewpoint… and then back up your point with some basic reasoning.
You did neither. You did nothing, really. Perhaps the reason you aren’t hearing any “unique” arguments is because you have failed so miserably to address the ones already in front of you.
And has Canada become so desolate that “leg-slappingly funny” and “absolutely tiresome” are that close?
One point that was not mentioned in the above posts is the fact that Vegans and Vegetarians are eating the solution to global warming.
If such a thing exists.
Why are you censoring me?
Nevermind.
@Human/Moo/DON’T DO NOTHING
Thanks for paying attention. I hear a little meat in the diet might help overall awareness… might replace some of that iron.
It’s unfortunate that prejudiced people often feel that vegans are obligated to justify their lifestyle on a continual basis. Most vegans were at one time, an average meat-eater; however upon learning the truth, they decided to change their own habits. The full breadth of veganism is generally unknown; therefore people would rather speculate and poke fun. Sadly this is the reaction present whenever people are confronted with something that is contrary to common opinion.
“It is the fate of every truth to be an object of ridicule when it is first acclaimed.”
– Albert Schweitzer
In the not so distant past, it was acceptable to treat women and children as property, to enslave black citizens, and torture and exterminate Jews. Women were not allowed to vote and gay people were unheard of. Those at the forefront of all of the movements to change these ideologies were/are laughed at, jailed, tortured and even killed.
Just because past history dictates that racism, sexism, ageism, specism, homophobia, etc., etc., are okay, does not mean that society has any right to continue utilizing the very same faulty reasoning in “modern” society. “Might” alone does not make any action right.
The US government reinforces the condemnation of activists by signing into law, the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, which is intended to target animal rights activists and environmental activists. This law penalizes damage and interference to animal enterprises or conspiring or attempting to damage or interfere with an animal enterprise. “Animal enterprises” are concerned about losing any profit due to activists and the information they may distribute. Why is it that no similar laws exist for other industries? The individuals that they call “terrorists” are the sort of “terrorists” that do not kill other humans, but merely attempt to show the truth to citizens while protecting those animals that are being exploited. It is in the public’s best interest for industry transparency to exist and for the public to know the truth. By demonizing activists, the government and corporations attempt to keep their “opponents” quiet, as well as further add to the false assumptions that average individuals make about these “movements”.
Vegan-sexual. This term does not apply to all vegans. I’m certain that there are plenty of vegans who hate this term and think it’s ridiculous. Vegans are aware of how this notion will be perceived, “Look at the stupid vegans! They are so crazy!”
Many vegans are aware of the population problem, just as they are aware of other issues, other than veganism. Adoption or deciding to not have children are viable options for everyone, if they would rather not contribute to the population. I personally never plan on having children.
Contrary to what you stated, vegetables do not have a central nervous system and cannot feel pain, nor can they have “feelings”. All animals are sentient beings, which means that they feel pain just as intensely as we do. A basic overview of biology would show this.
Vegans who decide to go vegan for the right reasons, did not do so primarily because they are insecure, lack religious ideologies or want to “feel good” about themselves. This is not to say that there aren’t some holier-than-thou vegans in the world, however they do not represent all vegans, just as one meat-eater does not represent all meat-eaters.
There are many reasons to go vegan:
1) For Your Health:
The American Dietetic Association and the Dieticians of Canada state that an appropriately planned vegetarian diet is healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provides health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. They also confirm that a vegan diet, as well as vegetarian diets are fit for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, and infancy. Vegan diets provide everything humans need to thrive, minus cholesterol, saturated fat and most contaminates. A proper vegan diet avoids and/or protects against many common health problems, such as stroke, heart disease, osteoporosis, diabetes, auto-immune diseases, and cancer, etc. The American Dietetic Association acknowledges that vegetarians have lower rates of death from heart disease, lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, prostate and colon cancer, as well as a lower probability of becoming obese. In addition, scientists have found that vegetarians have stronger immune systems and may live, on average, 6 to 10 years longer than the typical meat-eater. If you would like to know more, please see the following links and read the following books:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12826028?dopt=Citation
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2006/07/27/diabetes-vegan.html
http://www.rense.com/general/vega.htm
http://www.gentleworld.org/health/cancer.htm
http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=649d99a8-df3c-4f8b-89a6-376a6d9d2a94
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/on-cancer-and-a-vegetaria_b_46661.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_n3_v8/ai_12182736/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
-The China Study: The Most Comprehensive Study of Nutrition Ever Conducted and the Startling Implications for Diet, Weight Loss and Long- term by T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. and Thomas M. Campbell
-Eat to Live: The Revolutionary Formula for Fast and Sustained Weight Loss by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
-Healthy at 100: The Scientifically Proven Secrets of the World’s Healthiest and Long-Lived Peoples by John Robbins
-The Thrive Diet: The Whole Food Way to Lose Weight, Reduce Stress, and Stay Healthy for Life by Brendan Brazier
-The Vegan Diet as Chronic Disease Prevention: Evidence Supporting the New Four Food Groups by Kerrie K. Saunders, Ph.D.
2) For Your Wallet:
Vegan staples such as beans, rice, pasta, nuts, vegetables, soy products, etc., cost much less than animal products. Some of these items can easily be purchased in bulk and kept in storage. If you have the space, you can grow vegetables and fruits yourself. You’ll even save money on future health care and medical costs. In the USA, massive subsidies keep the prices of animal products artificially cheap, because the US government pays for the agribusinesses’ operating costs with tax dollars. Meanwhile, subsidies for vegetable and fruit producers are practically miniscule. The cost of the common hamburger would be $35 if its cost were truly reflected by price. However, the price of meat and dairy never reflects its true cost to the environment and human health. If you would like to learn more, please see the following links:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveMoney/GoVegetarianToSaveMoney.aspx?page=1
http://gliving.tv/news/meat-or-health-farm-subsidies-out-of-whack/
http://www.vegsource.com/harris/politics.htm
http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2005/07/07/agribusiness_farming_subsidies_destroy_food_security.htm
3) For the Workers:
Factory farms and slaughterhouses purposefully locate their operations in poorer regions of the USA, in hopes that they will attract the most desperate, poor and uneducated of the nation’s people. According to statistics from the US Department of Labor’s Bureau for Labor Statistics, nearly 1 in 3 slaughterhouse workers experiences an illness or injury every year, compared to 1 in 10 workers of other manufacturing companies. Human Rights Watch has declared that slaughterhouse workers have “the most dangerous factory job in America”. The industry is reluctant to provide its own workers with proper safety protection, training and slower working conditions, etc. It is very common for workers to become injured and once they do, incidents are not recorded and employees will be fired for taking time off, trying to file a health insurance or workers’ compensation claim or attempting to take part in a union. The industry actively focuses on hiring illegal immigrants and minors, both groups being illegal to employ. In addition, the turn-over rate of employees in this industry is very high. It is an extremely unpleasant occupation that forces human beings to kill and dismember animals for the entire length of their shift, every day. It is not uncommon for those employed by this industry to become addicted to drugs or alcohol (even to use them while working), beat their own families in frustration or develop a criminal record. If nothing else, these workers become permanently changed by their circumstances and either desensitize/ harden themselves to cope, or simply break down. If you would like to read more, please see the following link and read the following book:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/usa0105/usa0105.pdf
http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=nature-health/livestock/meat-industry-violates-human-rights.txt
http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/1999a/012299/012299f.htm
- The Jungle by Upton Sinclair
6) For the Animals
More than 27 billion animals are killed for food alone every year in the USA. Citizens can be charged for harming their own pets, but little is done to discipline those that torture animals in slaughterhouses. Routine acts include such things as mutilation, gene manipulation, extreme drug regimes, cramped housing, transport in extreme weather conditions, and gruesome, violent slaughter, etc. Generally any laws that are violated during production go unnoticed, and certainly unrecorded. It is not uncommon for workers to physically beat or sexually abuse animals, as well as to remove limbs and skin, while animals are completely conscious and aware. Just as animals are sentient beings, they are also intelligent and have their own unique methods of survival and communication. As a society that allows specism, human beings justify the killing and torture of hundreds of billions of animals for the sake of human profit and consumption. As per the award winning documentary, Earthlings, humans exploit animals in the following ways:
1)Pets: Dogs, cats, fish, birds, rodents, etc.
2)Food: Meat, dairy, animal fats, derivatives for processed foods such as gelatin, etc.
3)Clothing: Leather, fur, silk, wool, exotic animal skin, etc.
4)Science: Medical and drug testing, military equipment and weapons testing, consumer product testing.
5)Entertainment: Circuses, zoos, rodeos, sport hunting, etc.
This movie can be viewed, in its entirety here:
Earthlings Pt. 1
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=odee3Jqzf50
Earthlings Pt. 2
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2ls6NCEsVVY
“Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals.” George Orwell, Animal Farm
—
In the end, this issue should not be about Vegans vs. Non-vegans. Reducing the issue to such simplistic terms polarizes and segregates the two groups while creating extreme antagonists on both sides. It is in the best interest of the government and corporations to distract the minds of the populace from the real issues. This assists them in ensuring that individuals are easily manipulated for the sake of their own agendas. While the world is under government and corporate control, human beings do not protest as much if they are occupied with fighting amongst themselves about the concepts of “right” and “wrong”.
At the heart of all people is a concerned citizen that cares about their home, the planet, and the world’s animals and people. One’s actions should reflect this compassion. Do not take anyone’s word as gospel. Research all of the issues on your own, and find your personal conclusion only after doing so.
—
I was unable to include all points into one post. I’m quite certain that you’ll scoff at what I’ve written here, and that is not my concern. It is not my intention to “convert” you, but it would be quite admirable if you would refrain from posting about things you are ignorant to.
@Tanya
The reason why some of your posts were blocked is because Akismet and other blog spam blocking software interprets multiple links within a post as a tell-tale sign of spam. I find it amusing that your comments bear such a resemblance to a processed meat product… don’t you?
Most of your points are, to use your term, not new. They are partly true, but that’s very different from wholly true. The trouble with many vegan arguments is that you are in love with your end conclusions… despite how you got there… so you kinda back-strapolate your logic to fit the end you want to reach. The result is shoddy rationale… but since you “feel” it’s the truth you accept the dubious route you took to get there.
That’s why vegans are mostly the “feelers”, and not as much the “thinkers”.
A balanced diet is the best of any diet. Vegetables provide things that meat and dairy products don’t, and meat and dairy products provide nutrients that vegetables don’t. There exists no better source for muscle-focused amino acids than red meat.
I have no problem with vegetarians… it’s the vegans that are the nuts (get it?). It’s the socio-politically crazed anti-meat wingnuts that bewilder most sane folks. Vegans seems to want to impose their diets on others… seemingly by doing lots of screaming. The rationale that is so weak it must be screamed by activists at rallies is truly inferior.
For a better education on animal rights visit: petakillsanimals.com. Here’s just a tasty morsel off the flank of this site:
Waraxe said it.
I want to set the record straight and state that I am a happy and healthy vegan and I am NOT a PETA supporter. I do not respect their practices, nor do I feel that they speak on my behalf. I find it quite sad that those who like to waste their time “discrediting” veganism bring this organization up all the time. Am I just a “PETA”, and not a vegan? Gee, thanks for clearing that up for me. As for your comment about them, I have nothing to say, because frankly, I am not a spokesperson for them, as I just stated. Notice how I never once mentioned PETA? I don’t even know why you started talking about them.
Unfortunately the world we live in allows for an overabundance of stupidity on the internet. Anyone and their brother can now set up any kind of blog or website they want and spew forth their own ideologies. There is this grand obsession with feeling important because some little voices are crying out with support or denoucing your comments. You are connecting with the world! …Or just the losers that happen upon your website/blog.
Someone stated that I didn’t present anything to back up my opinions so I gave it to them and yet… still not enough. I gave you specific websites and books to read. Notice how I attempted to include UNBIASED information (Books regarding health by acclaimed doctors, UN Report about factory farming’s environmental effect, Human Rights Watch Report about human rights violations, etc.) No PETA sites were included! It’s unfortunate that none of your ilk ever plan on actually objectively looking at the issue. You are closing up your minds without ANY investigation. That sure sounds like what a “thinker” would do, hey? Again, what are you all so afraid of?
In any case, you didn’t really add anything to the conversation. Everything that has been stated on this page are opinions unsupported by facts. I gave ample resources for people to utitilize if they wish to break free from their own ignorance and perhaps, hey do their own research? As I said, don’t take my word for it… Don’t take this “WarAxe” person’s word for it.
You stated that I am a “feeler” because I care. Well so be it. I care about the environment, the world’s people, the world’s animals. All of humankind is capable of caring (I suppose that means you too?) and they should do so freely and proudly. They should not be pushed down in the depths of darkness, by people like yourself just because they want to try their best at being a good person.
You have presented yourself as much the same as most pompous, right-wing Christians. As I said, I never expected much from you and my responses weren’t even necessarily meant for you or your kind. I only hope to present the fact that your opinion is not necessarily important and that there are other things out there that people should investigate before they take your statements at face value.
Go on hating vegans, you lovable ol’ Christian you.
For some reason the following was excluded from my indepth post:
4)For the Environment:
The meat industry uses half of all the water used, for all purposes, in the USA. To produce 1 pound of meat, 2,500 gallons of water is required, however producing 1 pound of wheat requires merely 25 gallons. In addition, livestock production is responsible for climate change, land degradation, deforestation, pollution of water, and loss of biodiversity, among other things. According to a 2006 UN report, livestock animals generate more carbon emissions than all of the world’s transport (aircraft included) combined. Researchers from the University of Chicago have found that the average meat-eater emits 1.5 tonnes more CO2 per year, than a vegan. Animals produce methane gas, a greenhouse gas. Though rarer than carbon dioxide, methane is far more powerful. A single pound of methane is equivalent to approximated 50 pounds of carbon dioxide. The production of animals for their flesh and secretions is also very energy inefficient, when you consider all of the fossil fuels required throughout production. When consuming plants directly, rather than cycling them through animals, energy is conserved. The amount of food energy per fossil energy expended is 34.5% in ideal conditions, while the least energy efficient of plant production is 328%. You could literally feed 32 vegans, for the amount of resources it takes to feed a meat/dairy eater. Meat eaters have 24 times the environmental impact of a vegan. If you would like to know more, please see the following links:
http://virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm
http://ucsusa.org/food_and_environment/sustainable_food/cafos-uncovered.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/74605/?page=entire
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/a-few-more-inconvenient-_b_40261.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/vegetarian-is-the-new-pri_b_39014.html
http://www.alternet.org/environment/89015/
5)For Our Society:
Hundreds of millions of dollars are given to the US government from agribusinesses; in an effort to ensure that laws meant to protect consumers, animals and the environment do not pass. Because of government negligence, factory farms pollute and destroy local communities, spreading contamination and illness, and distribute inferior products to consumers that contain feces, poisons and diseases. When considering the world as a whole, it is clear that the current situation can be reduced simply to “taking the poor man’s grain to feed the rich man’s cow”. One of the largest contributing factors to starvation in poorer countries is animal production, because land is used to allow for grazing or to produce grain for animals rather than for human consumption. There is enough food in the world to feed us all, but mostly due to animal production, it is inefficiently used and distributed unequally. Animal production is energy inefficient and is also greatly reliant on an abundance of fossil fuels. Current production levels could not be sustained if there was a decline in oil availability. It’s obvious that most wars are fought over resources, fossil fuels in particular. Conserving energy by not eating meat and dairy would greatly reduce the need to conquer other countries for their oil.
-Making a Killing: The Political Economy of Animal Rights by Bob Torres
-The Food Revolution: How Your Diet Can Help Save Your Life and Our World by John Robbins and Dean Ornish M.D.
-The World Peace Diet: Eating for Spiritual Health and Social Harmony by Will Tuttle, Ph.D.
-Mad Cowboy: Plain Truth from the Cattle Rancher Who Won’t Eat Meat by Howard F. Lyman
-Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser
http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2005/07/07/agribusiness_farming_subsidies_destroy_food_security.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/dec/24/christmas.famine
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_n3_v8/ai_12182736/pg_2?tag=artBody;col1
http://cultureandanimals.org/animalrights.htm
I am sincerly sorry for the mess. I would have certainly liked being able to post it all at once in it’s complete form.
I just came across this article on Google.
I’d just like to remind you all that there are flaws in all your arguments. Everyone thinks that they alone are correct, and arguing about things that are a matter of opinion is pointless. Vegans think they are doing right, and meat eaters think that they are doing right, too.
It frustrates me though, that the people who are criticising vegans seem to put vegans into a category of their own, as if supporting animal rights automatically makes them leftist pro-choice yuppies or something.
It’s just a lifestyle choice, and most vegans don’t judge everyone else. It’s what they want to do, so why don’t you let them in peace?
@Amy
You are wrong when you say that most vegans don’t judge everyone else. Perhaps most “vegetarians” don’t judge everyone else… but when you make the leap to “vegan” there seems to be an entire sub-culture to it — filled with political action and left-leaning agendas. Don’t think so? Then you haven’t been to many vegan websites… nor spoken with many vegans.
In fact… you probably skipped over the crazy rant in the comments here regarding the human specism (whatever that’s supposed to mean — I guess it means I think it’s okay to step on ants).