Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day (updated)

Memorial in YerevanApril 24 is Genocide Remembrance Day in Armenia and throughout the world, and is also known as Armenian Martyr’s Day and Armenian Remembrance Day. Pictured here is the Genocide Memorial (Tsitsernakaberd) in Armenia’s capital city of Yerevan.

This blog entry will have no jokes, no fluff, and its links may lead to unsettling content… so if you’d like to continue your happy existence without the burden of other people’s suffering then please… by all means, click here instead.

If you go to one site today, let it be this: TheForgotten.org

Here’s the short version. Between 1915 and 1917 the Ottoman Turks (modern-day Turkey) killed 1,500,000 Armenians with military force and starvation through forced deportation death marches into the desert. The accounts of torture and rape are unspeakable. This is known as the Armenian Genocide. My grandfather was the only one of eleven kids to make it out of Armenia alive.

Most people have no clue about any of this… it is very possible that you, the reader, are saying to yourself you’ve never even heard of this. The reasons are legion why this genocide is so obscure in most circles… politics, mostly. Don’t feel too bad, though, because it was mostly forgotten by Hitler’s day… unfortunately for the Jews.

The United States hasn’t officially recognized the Armenian Genocide as a nation, but 39 of the 50 states have. And the following countries officially recognize the genocide: Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Lebanon, Lithuania, The Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Sweden, Switzerland, Uruguay, Vatican City and Venezuela. Notice that there isn’t one officially Muslim nation on the list (not even Lebanon – which faced Turkish murder as well). I could say that it’s mostly because the Ottoman Turks and modern-day Turkey are Muslim and the Armenians are Christian. Even to this day radical Turk Muslims will desecrate the memorials to the genocide because they either refuse to believe it happened or don’t believe it is wrong to kill Christians.

Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?
- Adolf Hitler… while persuading his generals that a Jewish holocaust would be tolerated by the West

…the Armenian massacre was the greatest crime of the war, and the failure to act against Turkey is to condone it … the failure to deal radically with the Turkish horror means that all talk of guaranteeing the future peace of the world is mischievous nonsense.
- Theodore Roosevelt… in a May 11, 1918, letter to Cleveland Hoadley Dodge

I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared to the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915.
- Henry Morgenthau, Sr. US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire

On this day, we pause in remembrance of one of the most horrible tragedies of the 20th century, the annihilation of as many as 1.5 million Armenians through forced exile and murder at the end of the Ottoman Empire. This terrible event remains a source of pain for people in Armenia and Turkey and for all those who believe in freedom, tolerance, and the dignity of every human life. I join with my fellow Americans and the Armenian community in the United States and around the world in mourning this loss of life.
- George W. Bush, April 24, 2004

never-again.com
april24.info
Armenian-Genocide.org
Armeniapedia.org/Armenian_Genocide
24april1915.com

turk protesterUPDATE: Here is a picture from a Turkish rally in New York City this past Saturday protesting any recognition of the Armenian Genocide. The protester in the picture is holding a sign that says “Genocide Soccer Match : Turkey, one… Armenian Hate Merchants, zero.”

Nice, huh?

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  1. Posted April 24, 2006 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    This is a very sobering post, as are the links … Thank you.

  2. Tony G
    Posted April 24, 2006 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Some might not recognize, but enough do, and eventually (hopefully) this event in history will get the proper attention it deserves.
    Shat shnorhakal em (շատ շնորհակալ եմ)

  3. Posted April 24, 2006 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Mike and Tony :: Bari galust (բարի գալուստ)

  4. Andrea Neeve
    Posted May 16, 2006 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Great article….. I am going to Turkey and Armenia this July.

    Would be great to be in correspondence!

  5. Posted May 16, 2006 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Sounds great, Andrea! Keep me informaed about your trip. I’d love to see pictures when you get back, too. :-)

  6. Taryn
    Posted April 11, 2007 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    I find it mindblowing how with all the evidence in front of us, some continue to deny that the Armenian Genocide ever happened.

    This April 24th I plan to make the problem known. I’m going to wear shirt with survivors on it and say “They Remember… Will You?”

    It is an issue that needs to be addressed.

  7. Posted April 23, 2007 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    literacy is the strongest weapon to fight for our RIGHTS.therefore long live Armenian SCHOOLS

  8. MadMom
    Posted April 23, 2007 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Why does the world go to such lengths to cover up the astonishing terrorism that has gone on through the ages of time at the hads of the Muslim population. They act as though terrorism is something that started September 2001. Terrorism started with Muhammad and still continues today!

  9. SOAD
    Posted September 19, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    F*** tURKEY

  10. Rabih
    Posted October 30, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    I Think it’s good that your spreading the word about the Armenian Genocide & we in Lebanon have always supported this cause.
    Just wanted to correct a slight mistake you had
    “Notice that Lebanon (which faced Turkish murder as well) is the only Muslim nation on the list”

    Lebanon is not a Muslim nation, Lebanon was always a Christian Country & the President is a Christian Maronite Catholic.
    the ratio of Christians & Muslims are very close (these days the country has no official religion set as a state religion)

    Also the Ottomans Killed more than 150,000 Lebanese during the war by starving the People & by direct execution of scholars who spoke against them (they were from both religions Christian & Muslim)

  11. Posted October 30, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    @Rabih
    Thank you for the clarification. I will update my post accordingly, and I thank you for stopping by and adding your input! :-)

  12. Hulya Yadsan-Appleby
    Posted November 2, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Dear WarAxe,

    I can assure you that Turks don’t believe that it is right to kill Christians. But you are right: most Turks don’t believe in Armenian Genocide. They think it is invented by Christians in order to insult Muslims. Most Muslims believe that the ultimate goal of Christians is to eliminate all Muslims.

    I know very little about the politics behind the Armenian Genocide (not surprisingly–I am a Turk and I’ve never heard of Armenian Genocide until I came to England). I don’t understand why the Turkish government doesn’t accept this officially. But you and other readers of this blog should realize that there are Turks (like me) who accept this as a historical fact.

    However some Turks think that it was not an organised killing as in the case of Hitler (and Armenians were not used as a tool to archieve a political goal as Jews). They ask if the aim was to murder Armenians why didn’t Turks do it without deportation? Why was the deportation needed? There were Turkish soldiers who died of starvation along side the Armenians in the process of deportation. To them the Armenian Genocide is a mere stupidity of politicians. They believe that the genuine intention was to deport Armenians but it failed due to the incompetence of the government. Perhaps this is why they feel it is unfair to be classified as “Nazis”.

    There were many Turks who were raped and murdered by Christians too (this was shortly after the ww1 mainly by Greeks and this is even less known than the Armenian Genocide). When there is a war everyone suffers (as Rabih points out).

    Your blog reminded me of something from Jesus (though I may not be quoting it quite correct):

    “It is easy to hate your enemy but think! What else you can do” or was it “Love your enemy the same way you love your neighbour” This is a very hard thing to understand–it took me 12 years. But it’s worth trying.

    Thank you very much for the blog.

  13. Rabih
    Posted November 2, 2008 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Hey WarAxe, Hope all is well
    thank you for correcting the mistake, this happens a little to often, mainly because Lebanon is in the Middle East & neighboring Arab Muslim countries (people tend to make that mistake) :)

    @ Hulya Yadsan-Appleby wishing that all is good with u as well :)
    “I can assure you that Turks don’t believe that it is right to kill Christians”
    Maybe these days this is true, but @ that time Christians were considered enemies of the state & were accused of treason in the case of Lebanon everyone was Labeled a traitor, this is why they starved the people to death & executed scholars who would speak out. 1/3 of the Lebanese starved to death & the others survived because of food that was smuggled from near by Syria.

    “Most Muslims believe that the ultimate goal of Christians is to eliminate all Muslims.”
    this can be true the other way around as well

    As for the killing & rape of Turks by the Greeks I would think that came as an act of vengeance for the Turks also killed as many Greeks during the war

    the moral here should be. We should learn from the mistakes of our past in order to better our future

    Kahlil Gibran wrote the following during the First World War (1914 to 1918), a time when many places, including Lebanon, were struck by famine. At the time of writing he was living in Boston in the United States.

    Change a couple of words & it would be ur people’s story as well Take care & God Bless (sorry for the long post) :)

    DEAD ARE MY PEOPLE

    Dead are my people, gone are my people, but I exist yet, lamenting them in my solitude. Dead are my friends, and in their death my life is naught but great disaster. The knolls of my country are submerged by tears and blood, for my people and my beloved are gone, and I am here living as I did when my people and my beloved were enjoying life and the bounty of life, and when the hills of my country were blessed and engulfed by the light of the sun.

    My people died from hunger, and he who did not perish from starvation was butchered with the sword; and I am here in this distant land, roaming amongst a joyful people who sleep upon soft beds, and smile at the days while the days smile upon them.

    My people died a painful and shameful death, and here am I living in plenty and in peace. This is deep tragedy ever enacted upon the stage of my heart; few would care to witness this drama, for my people are as birds with broken wings, left behind the flock.

    If I were hungry and living amid my famished people, and persecuted among my oppressed countrymen, the burden of the black days would be lighter upon my restless dreams, and the obscurity of the night would be less dark before my hollow eyes and my crying heart and my wounded soul. For he who shares with his people their sorrow and agony will feel a supreme comfort created only by suffering in sacrifice. And he will be at peace with himself when he dies innocent with his fellow innocents.

    But I am not living with my hungry and persecuted people who are walking in the procession of death toward martyrdom. I am here beyond the broad seas living in the shadow of tranquillity, and in the sunshine of peace. I am afar from the pitiful arena and the distressed, and cannot be proud of ought, not even of my own tears.

    What can an exiled son do for his starving people, and of what value unto them is the lamentation of an absent poet?

    Were I an ear of corn grown in the earth of my country, the hungry child would pluck me and remove with my kernels the hand of Death form his soul. Were I a ripe fruit in the gardens of my country, the starving women would gather me and sustain life. Were I a bird flying the sky of my country, my hungry brother would hunt me and remove with the flesh of my body the shadow of the grave from his body. But, alas! I am not an ear of corn grown in the plains of Syria, nor a ripe fruit in the valleys of Lebanon; this is my disaster, and this is my mute calamity which brings humiliation before my soul and before the phantoms of the night. This is the painful tragedy which tightens my tongue and pinions my arms and arrests me usurped of power and of will and of action. This is the curse burned upon my forehead before God and man.

    And oftentimes they say unto me, the disaster of your country is but naught to calamity of the world, and the tears and blood shed by your people are as nothing to the rivers of blood and tears pouring each day and night in the valleys and plains of the earth.”

    Yes, but the death of my people is a silent accusation; it is a crime conceived by the heads of the unseen serpents. it is a sceneless tragedy. And if my people had attacked the despots and oppressors and died rebels, I would have said, “Dying for freedom is nobler than living in the shadow of weak submission, for he who embraces death with the sword of Truth in his hand will eternalize with the Eternity of Truth, for Life is weaker than Death and Death is weaker than Truth.

    If my nation had partaken in the war of all nations and had died in the field of battle, I would say that the raging tempest had broken with its might the green branches; and strong death under the canopy of the tempest is nobler than slow perishment in the arms of senility. But there was no rescue from the closing jaws. My people dropped and wept with the crying angels.

    If an earthquake had torn my country asunder and the earth had engulfed my people into its bosom, I would have said, “A great and mysterious law has been moved by the will of divine force, and it would be pure madness if we frail mortals endeavoured to probe its deep secrets.” But my people did not die as rebels; they were not killed in the field of battle; nor did the earthquake shatter my country and subdue them. Death was their only rescuer, and starvation their only spoils.

    My people died on the cross. They died while their hands stretched toward the East and West, while the remnants of their eyes stared at the blackness of the firmament. They died silently, for humanity had closed its ears to their cry. They died because they did not befriend their enemy. They died because they loved their neighbours. They died because they placed trust in all humanity. They died because they did not oppress the oppressors. They died because they were the crushed flowers, and not the crushing feet. They died because they were peace makers. They perished from hunger in a land rich with milk and honey. They died because monsters of hell arose and destroyed all that their fields grew, and devoured the last provisions in their bins. They died because the vipers and sons of vipers spat out poison into the space where the Holy Cedars and the roses and the jasmine breathe their fragrance.

    My people and your people, my Syrian Brothers, are dead. What can be done for those who are dying? Our lamentations will not satisfy their hunger, and our tears will not quench their thirst; what can we do to save them between the iron paws of hunger? My brother, the kindness which compels you to give a part of your life to any human who is in the shadow of losing his life is the only virtue which makes you worthy of the light of day and the peace of the night. Remember, my brother, that the coin which you drop into the withered hand stretching toward you is the only golden chain that binds your rich heart to the loving heart of God.

  14. Hulya
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 4:39 am | Permalink

    Dear Rabih,

    The poem is deeply touching. But my question is why should it be “My people”? Why do I need to change it to “My people”? Why should it more painful for you than it should be for me? Do you really feel less for Jews in Tireblinka or Auschiwitz than for Christians in Syria deserts?

    “As for the killing & rape of Turks by the Greeks I would think that came as an act of vengeance for the Turks also killed as many Greeks during the war”

    and so on and on….

    I probably share your feelings about the Islamic culture. I cannot live in an Islamic country. That is why I am living in England rather than Turkey. I have enough experience and reason to devote my life to the destruction of all Muslims. But I ask myself if this is right for “me”. I feel it isn’t. Ironically I learnt from Jesus that it wasn’t right. I don’t know how one should respond to these atrocities. All I know is not by more hatred because that will bring more destruction (that was the point of quotation from Jesus).

    I do wish it’s all well with you.

  15. Rabih
    Posted November 4, 2008 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Dear Hulya.

    “Do you really feel less for Jews in Tireblinka or Auschiwitz than for Christians in Syria deserts?”

    If they were from Iran would you?
    This is Human nature to relate with whats close to you.
    I would feel sorrow for any tragedy but I would feel my people’s pain & suffering more vividly because it would be more real to me, This is why I said imagine that they were yours to put yourself in their shoes (it’s easy to watch death on the news or read about it, but it’s a different story living it This is why we relate with the Armenian cause more than others regardless of them being Christians or not (it’s because we live & suffered the same way by the same oppressor & there is a large Armenian community living here so the cause is very much alive for many of us have Armenian friends who had relatives killed during that period)

    As for “I probably share your feelings about the Islamic culture. I cannot live in an Islamic country” I said nothing about the Islamic culture I spoke about the Ottoman empire & I spoke about Historical fact (I Majored in History & I see things from a historic aspect & not a religious one)
    I don’t know about present day Turkey but to me the Ottoman empire does not represent Islamic culture just as countries in the Gulf today have nothing to do with their Islamic Culture.
    To Talk about Islamic Culture you must talk about Iraq & Egypt of the middle ages who with the help of the Christian scholars of the region & Later on Muslim scholars took the world to a higher level & were the source of all medical & scientific inventions & discoveries, also it was by translating their books that Europe was able to get out of the dark ages & into the age of reason
    If anything I feel sorrow for the decline of this culture & to the state that it has reached these days.
    I think it’s a mistake to deny your heritage for it is who you are you must learn to accept it & try to make it better by learning from your mistakes this is what Tragedies teach us to learn & try to make our world better
    With all that I’ve been through & all that I’ve lived through & seen I can tell you one thing fighting fire with fire will only lead to a bigger fire & larger flames.
    You fight fire with water this is the only way to kill it.

    I think Turkey needs to acknowledge the genocide to put the families to rest & to apologize for what happened (I think that is what most people want) & this would help to heal old wounds & give way to a better future :)

  16. Hulya
    Posted November 7, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Dear Rabih,

    I understand why you said “imagine that they were yours to put yourself in their shoes”. But I don’t understand what you mean by your people’s sufferings more real to you. Do you mean your people are more human than others? Or do you mean they have a greater capacity to take pain and so they suffer more? I am sorry but I don’t understand what you are saying.

    I would feel the same way for the Iranians. If you doubt that you are not getting my point. Perhaps I am failing to explain it. But my point is that it is equally disturbing to see humans suffering regardless of their cultures, religions. If you are not equally disturbed, than you are failing to see the universality of being “a human”.

    ” I said nothing about the Islamic culture I spoke about the Ottoman empire & I spoke about Historical fact (I Majored in History & I see things from a historic aspect & not a religious one)”

    Yes you are right you haven’t said anything about Islamic culture. I had the impression that you were agreeing with WarAxe who has negative feelings about Islamic culture–so it turned out you don’t.

    Ottoman Empire does represent the Islamic culture. Perhaps we mean different things by the word “culture”. Culture is a set of habits. For most people culture also means a kind of framework for thinking and judging. Certainly the habits, judgements and thoughts of Ottomans were determined by Islam.

    “To Talk about Islamic Culture you must talk about Iraq & Egypt of the middle ages who with the help of the Christian scholars of the region & Later on Muslim scholars took the world to a higher level & were the source of all medical & scientific inventions & discoveries, also it was by translating their books that Europe was able to get out of the dark ages & into the age of reason
    If anything I feel sorrow for the decline of this culture & to the state that it has reached these days.”

    Again here I think we don’t mean the same thing by culture–It is not true that “Islamic culture” should be defined by Egypt and Iraq as they were in the middle ages just because it was the golden age of Islam. Egypt and Iraq are still uniquely Islamic today–that is their habits of living are compatible with Islam. I should also remind you that Egypt and Iran translated the works of ancient Greeks before they passed them to Europe.

    “I think it’s a mistake to deny your heritage for it is who you are you must learn to accept it ”

    Sorry is this intended for me as an advice? It sounds very Islamic! I don’t agree with it and the reason I don’t agree with it is not because what you say sounds Islamic but because what you say is wrong. No one has to live with the faults of their ancestors just because it’s “heritage”. The new generations should try to undo the faults and improve their heritage and should not follow it in a sheep-like manner. My heritage is not who I am entirely–I have the freedom of mind and the confidence to decide what I want to live to the future generations. I can leave a better world behind me. Perhaps this is why I feel the same way for Iranians, Christians and jews–I am a “human” first of all. I could not have a “heritage” if I was not a human.

    But I understand it is important to you that people should define themselves by their heritage–if this wasn’t the case there wouldn’t be a subject as “history” I suppose. I am however a scientist. I too can see how important history is. But I wake up everyday and think “how can I solve a problem that others before me had failed” or “how can I avoid the mistakes others couldn’t”. We would get no where if we all believed that to see the faults of our ancestors is a “denial”. In fact I believe this is exactly the reason why so many countries in the Middle East are getting no where.

  17. Rabih
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Dear Hulya,

    First let me say that I’m Greek Catholic I know that this has no effect on the subject @ hand, only to state the fact that my previous post weren’t coming from a religious point of view (as a Muslim defending his religion) for Islam or any other religion for that matter has no need of me to stand up for it.
    Yes I agreed with WarAxe statements that were directed @ the Ottoman empire that was governed by a bunch of cruel & vicious group of murders & barbarians regardless of the religion they followed even before they embraced this religion, this was the nature of the Ottoman tribes who came to power (Obviously I’m not talking about all of the Ottomans)& this can be clearly see by the way they treated Lebanese & Armenian Nationals.
    I studied History that included anthropology & archeology so the way I view culture would naturally be different from a layperson.
    True that the Arab Muslims started by translating from Greeks (but they didn’t stop there, they improved on what they took & started to invent & innovate themselves)Also my dear friend you failed to mention that the Greeks also took from other civilizations as well they took from egypt (the Pharaohs) & from Mesopotamia, from the Phoenicians & remember that Europe came from Phoenicia according to Greek mythology as well as the alphabet also the Roman aqueducts & their brilliant use & the innovations in agriculture were taken from Carthage.

    I don’t know what you meant by the word Islamic when you spoke about heritage. By Heritage I meant all that a person is & was(A persons ancestry) if this is denied then a person has no history & a person without History is nothing for we are the some of our experiences & the experiences of those who surround us.
    Don’t deny your heritage means don’t deny you identity
    it doesn’t mean accept it for what it is without change (I never said that) if you read my post you will clearly see that I said (We should learn from the mistakes of our past in order to better our future).if you deny your past you are bound to make the same mistakes

    I speak from experience & from studies when I say yes people & nations who have been through what we & the Armenians have went through have the capacity to relate more with suffering to be “more Human” as you put it or they can be extremely cruel so to avoid finding themselves in the same situation again (as victims)

    When I said that the suffering of my people would be more real to me this doesn’t mean that I would feel less for the suffering of other people, it meant that what happened would be a part of everyday life that it would not fade by the passing of time & wouldn’t be reduced to something written in History books, newspapers or Tv, it would be more real because everyday you would meet someone who was there or who knows someone who was there & lived through it or it happened to a member of your family

    I lost one of my friends @ the age of 9 as I tell you this you will feel sorrow for him & for me, but in a couple of days you will most likely forget about it because it doesn’t affect you personally, but to me it would be more real & for his mother it would be much more real,…. Hope that I got the point through. :)

    AS for the part about History …
    everything in the world is included in history even science for you are studying the history of what someone did once upon a time & if there were no history there would be no problems for you to solve :p

    As for the problems for some countries in the middle east they are much more complicated than that.
    I think we have strayed very far from the issue of the topic but either way it was fun conversing with you
    Take care Mate & keep safe
    Bye :)

  18. Hulya
    Posted November 18, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Dear Rabih,

    Thanks a lot for your reply. I agree we are wandering off the point.

    However I must remark very briefly on a point. The Ottomans were not any more barbaric then other empires in history. Barbarism has been with us all the time (in the usual meaning of the word (brutal, vulgar) not in the meaning that it was first used in Athens(it meant non-Greek then)). For instance the way Jesus was murdered was barbaric too but he wasn’t murdered by Ottomans. Also Ottomans are seen as a “continuation” of Roman Empire–that is the structure of the two empires were very similar. Ottomans were nomadic people who were good at riding, hunting and killing. They didn’t know how to live in a city let alone how to run an empire! They could not mange it without the help of Greek citizens who had the experience and the knowledge in running the governmental institutes–in fact they, along side the (Greek, Macedonian etc) mothers of the Sultans run the empire most of the time. Still no one has thought of a secular government for about 600 years, until Ataturk (a Muslim who disliked Islam, from Selanik) decided to overthrow the sultan shortly after WW1. Since then Turkey is a secular country constantly under threat from Islamists.

    I am sorry about your friend and I won’t forget it 2 days later–I may forget it in my brain but not in my heart. I live and work for a better world and I don’t see a better way of “not forgetting” them (I expect the same from everybody).

    I will now go back to my reason for writing on this blog in the first place and repeat my point. I agree that Turks must acknowledge the Armenian massacre but the massacre should not be used to incite enmity and hatred between the Christians and the Muslims. Because I don’t see how enmity and hatred will benefit either side.

    Best wishes

  19. Hulya
    Posted January 13, 2009 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Hello All,

    Perhaps you’ve heard of the campaign ‘I apologize’ which started in December, in Turkey. But if you don’t know about it here is the web:

    http://www.ermenilerdenozurdiliyorum.com/

    It’s long way away from what we want, but it’s a start.

    Best

  20. Posted January 15, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    I tried to read this site, but it is all in Armenian!!!! I am Armenian by marriage only and I suck at languages. (I failed Spanish, so you can imagine that I have not picked up Armenian by osmosis).
    Anyway, I find this discussion to be very interesting. You see, although I am a Christian, my family is Jewish. I was raised Jewish, although it never stuck. I got constant indoctrination about the holocaust as a child and how it must never happen again. I find it interesting that our government in the US keeps the Jewish holocaust in the forefront, yet refuses to acknowledge the Armenian genocide. Politics.
    Being married to an Armenian, I have found the way that these two genocides have been treated by those outside the targeted groups to be rather, ah, enlightening. The irony is that I actually do not have any relatives that were connected with the holocaust, but my husband has direct relatives who were murdered by the Turks.
    Public schools by and large have “The Diary of Anne Frank” on their required reading lists. I did not even know what an Armenian was as a child until I happened to stumble on a short story by William Saroyan in an anthology of horse storie (!), let alone learning anything about the genocide. Little did I know that I would wind up married to one…LOL.

  21. Posted January 16, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    @Liz
    I went to that site too, but couldn’t read it. That’s ok. I forgot most of the French I learned (use it or lose it – as with everything else in life).

    That’s funny about never thinking you’d be married to an Armenian. Last night Tami and I had lahmajoun and chourag (it keeps well frozen)… mmmm, good! :-)

  22. Hulya
    Posted January 16, 2009 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Hi Liz&war axe,

    I thought you could read the link I gave in armenian or in english–perhaps not. But I’ll just tell you briefly. In Turkey some people started a page for people to sign up. The meaning of every signature is this: “I accept the Armenian Massacre and apologize from all Armenians” The number is of people who apologized is 27595 at the moment (except my name still hasn’t appeared so it’s 27596). I think the population of Turkey is over 70 million so it’s not so impressive but still it’s something.

    I thought lahmacun was a Turkish food!

  23. Posted January 21, 2009 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    you know Steve, David was drooling on the computer when you mentioned the lamajoun…now I’ll have to make some choreg for him. I know it’s one of his favorites…

  24. Rabih
    Posted January 21, 2009 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    @ Hulya
    the site is a great idea & a good start even if it’s only 30000 ppl, but the problem in most wasn’t the ppl as much as it’s the gov refusing to admit to what happened but the more ppl join the more change they can make & the 30000 have already done so in their lives at the least, so that’s good :^)

    & by the way Lahmabajin is Lebanese Food & choreg is very tasty I’m drooling on my pc as well lol ….
    :^)

  25. Valerie Jean
    Posted April 3, 2009 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    I’m glad I found this site. It was interesting reading comments – all the way back from 2006!
    I’m the granddaughter of a survivor. My grandpa was not yet a teen when the Turks murdered most of his family. At the time his father was a business owner in Gurin, Turkey. My grandpa and his four brothers were captured by the Turkish Army, but escaped and made it out of Turkey with the help of neighboring Greeks.
    I grew up with much discussion of the Genocide and the horrors of war (my Armenian grandpa was my mother’s dad, my father was Polish and suffered much from the Germans and Russians).
    If anything, we must keep pushing this issue. We must not let Turkey attempt to become a member of the European Union without acknowledging the Genocide (yes, Genocide, not the politically correct “tragedy” they call it). And we should incorporate the Armenian genocide into our school curriculums. I found this site by Googling “2009 Armenian Rememberance Day” so I could find local (nyc) activities to participate in.
    Regards to all of you.
    -Val

  26. Valerie Jean
    Posted April 5, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    MEDIA ALERT – PLEASE READ

    As we are into April, the month of Armenian Remembrance Day, Turkey traditionally spends much money on advertising in major media outlets (the New York Times, etc.) so as to curb coverage. A recent NYT editorial, “Mr. Obama and Turkey” (4/4/09) suggests that the U.S. not talk about the Genocide so as to “encourage” Turkey to become a democracy. Further, the NYT suggests that President Obama NOT live up to his campaign pledge to recognize the Genocide for fear of “offending” Turks!.
    This is outragouus!
    Please read/monitor discussion of this issue and write! Combat the Turkish Propaganda Machine!

    Thanks
    -Val

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