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		<title>By: Pastor Marty</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-75707</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just stumbled on this blog today and I was pleasantly surprised to read alll the comments, the hearts that you all display seem to be for the same thing an unadulterated, relevant my generation gospel. 
Just like it's author the Church should "be the same yesterday, today and forever" but to not move with the times we are in would be death to the christian faith. the same yesterday, today and forever is like this, when I was first born I was named Martin Beckett, and there is something unique about me, that defines who I am, now over the years my outward appearence has changed with time, I have dressed to suit the era I am in my hair style is new and trendy but I am still the same person that I was born to be.

Providing the Church keeps the message the same and speaks the whole truth of the Kingdom, who cares what they look like?

Pastor Marty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled on this blog today and I was pleasantly surprised to read alll the comments, the hearts that you all display seem to be for the same thing an unadulterated, relevant my generation gospel.<br />
Just like it&#8217;s author the Church should &#8220;be the same yesterday, today and forever&#8221; but to not move with the times we are in would be death to the christian faith. the same yesterday, today and forever is like this, when I was first born I was named Martin Beckett, and there is something unique about me, that defines who I am, now over the years my outward appearence has changed with time, I have dressed to suit the era I am in my hair style is new and trendy but I am still the same person that I was born to be.</p>
<p>Providing the Church keeps the message the same and speaks the whole truth of the Kingdom, who cares what they look like?</p>
<p>Pastor Marty</p>
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		<title>By: Negative99 &#187; The Radical Reformission</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Negative99 &#187; The Radical Reformission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 04:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Reaching Out Without Selling Out&#8221; is the tagline for this tome of relevancy. And indeed, being relevant (and theologically sound) is what makes modern missions effective (see my previous post on relevance). If ever there was an instruction manual on how to be a Christ-follower carrying out the great commission right where you are&#8230; surely this is it! Most of our present approaches to reach the world fail&#8230; and we need a radical change in how we share the truth to reach our post-Christian culture. That radical change is what Driscoll calls &#8220;reformission&#8221;. We are all on a mission with Jesus everyday, and we are either good missionaries or bad. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Reaching Out Without Selling Out&#8221; is the tagline for this tome of relevancy. And indeed, being relevant (and theologically sound) is what makes modern missions effective (see my previous post on relevance). If ever there was an instruction manual on how to be a Christ-follower carrying out the great commission right where you are&#8230; surely this is it! Most of our present approaches to reach the world fail&#8230; and we need a radical change in how we share the truth to reach our post-Christian culture. That radical change is what Driscoll calls &#8220;reformission&#8221;. We are all on a mission with Jesus everyday, and we are either good missionaries or bad. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WarAxe</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>WarAxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alissa :: It almost seems like the über-modern churches are more trying to completely seperate from the past than emerging churches... while the emerging churches are bringing back some older traditions like weekly communion and incense, etc.  I dunno...   :-)  BA's right... too many labels.

Mike :: You'll appreciate this story which took place about six years ago.  A young man in Loudonville grew up in the church and went on to become a missionary to India, learning the language and studying the music.  He came back to Loudonville to talk to us about ethnomusicology and the importance of Indian believers praising God using the styles of their culture.  He said before the people could truly worship they needed to be singing praise songs written in their own cultural style.  Our youth pastor then leans over to one of the youth and whispers with a smile, "Hey, we should do that here."  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alissa :: It almost seems like the über-modern churches are more trying to completely seperate from the past than emerging churches&#8230; while the emerging churches are bringing back some older traditions like weekly communion and incense, etc.  I dunno&#8230;   <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  BA&#8217;s right&#8230; too many labels.</p>
<p>Mike :: You&#8217;ll appreciate this story which took place about six years ago.  A young man in Loudonville grew up in the church and went on to become a missionary to India, learning the language and studying the music.  He came back to Loudonville to talk to us about ethnomusicology and the importance of Indian believers praising God using the styles of their culture.  He said before the people could truly worship they needed to be singing praise songs written in their own cultural style.  Our youth pastor then leans over to one of the youth and whispers with a smile, &#8220;Hey, we should do that here.&#8221;  <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good insight. Funny, in cross-cultural ministries we do everything we can to be culturally relevant, and no one questions our commitment to the Gospel message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insight. Funny, in cross-cultural ministries we do everything we can to be culturally relevant, and no one questions our commitment to the Gospel message.</p>
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		<title>By: alissa</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>alissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 21:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone very wise recently pointed out to me that a major pitfall often espoused in "emergentness" (since we can't call it "emergency") or many other churches is a maximization of discontinuity with the past.  Unscriptural &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; immature.

Dunno what that has to do with anything but I felt like pointing it out.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone very wise recently pointed out to me that a major pitfall often espoused in &#8220;emergentness&#8221; (since we can&#8217;t call it &#8220;emergency&#8221;) or many other churches is a maximization of discontinuity with the past.  Unscriptural <i>and</i> immature.</p>
<p>Dunno what that has to do with anything but I felt like pointing it out.  <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: WarAxe</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>WarAxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, good thoughts from all.  I, too, weary from labels.  In fact &lt;a href='http://www.negative99.com/archive/38' rel="nofollow"&gt;here's a blog entry&lt;/a&gt; I made from a discussion I was having on &lt;a href='http://www.alissaclark.com' rel="nofollow"&gt;Alissa's blog&lt;/a&gt; about whether or not her church was emergent.  I ranted (not on her church,obviously) on the extremes of either side.

Someone will always bring up in a hipper church, "are we emergent?"  And of course everyone else will always reply "what's emergent?"  :-)  Great question... because the more you read about emergent churches the more confused you get.

I included the link for EmergentChurch.org because the emergent church movement is definitely an example of trying to be relevant.  If we compare that to a "modern" church in this area, we'll say Grace Fellowship... they are (imho) decidedly NOT emergent, but are still seeking to be relevant (from what I see and from what my fellow believers who attend tell me).

Hmm... perhaps modern and post-modern/emergent are almost "flavors" of what the church should be - sound doctrine delivered in a relevant vehicle and always seeking to be like Christ.

But alas, look at me speaking in labels.  :-)  As was said, it really is pretty simple.  There exists ONE body... with more fragmentation and multi-denominationalism ;-) than any other entity I think in all of history!

I had a conversation with a Methodist chaplain one time.  I told him how I grew up Legalis-- I mean Baptist, but that I would rather just call myself a follower of Christ and dispose of any man-made label or denomination.  To which this dope discounted me by attributing my label-rebellion to me being one of today's disenfranchised (and disinterested) youth.  He was truly a Kool-Aid drinker.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, good thoughts from all.  I, too, weary from labels.  In fact <a href='http://www.negative99.com/archive/38'>here&#8217;s a blog entry</a> I made from a discussion I was having on <a href='http://www.alissaclark.com'>Alissa&#8217;s blog</a> about whether or not her church was emergent.  I ranted (not on her church,obviously) on the extremes of either side.</p>
<p>Someone will always bring up in a hipper church, &#8220;are we emergent?&#8221;  And of course everyone else will always reply &#8220;what&#8217;s emergent?&#8221;  <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Great question&#8230; because the more you read about emergent churches the more confused you get.</p>
<p>I included the link for EmergentChurch.org because the emergent church movement is definitely an example of trying to be relevant.  If we compare that to a &#8220;modern&#8221; church in this area, we&#8217;ll say Grace Fellowship&#8230; they are (imho) decidedly NOT emergent, but are still seeking to be relevant (from what I see and from what my fellow believers who attend tell me).</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; perhaps modern and post-modern/emergent are almost &#8220;flavors&#8221; of what the church should be - sound doctrine delivered in a relevant vehicle and always seeking to be like Christ.</p>
<p>But alas, look at me speaking in labels.  <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  As was said, it really is pretty simple.  There exists ONE body&#8230; with more fragmentation and multi-denominationalism <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> than any other entity I think in all of history!</p>
<p>I had a conversation with a Methodist chaplain one time.  I told him how I grew up Legalis&#8211; I mean Baptist, but that I would rather just call myself a follower of Christ and dispose of any man-made label or denomination.  To which this dope discounted me by attributing my label-rebellion to me being one of today&#8217;s disenfranchised (and disinterested) youth.  He was truly a Kool-Aid drinker.  <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>BA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>labels labels and more labels....  is that what we've sunk too?  The only label I will put any stock in is the one on the front of the book "The Holy Bible".  My life has been spent in labeled churches and I have seen it all go bad at one point or another because of those labels which everyone HAS to have.  How many denominations and sub denominations do we need or can we invent?? Teach, learn and live from the Bible, GOD'S word not some multi-denominationally (cool word, could be a new denomination, huh?) group of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>labels labels and more labels&#8230;.  is that what we&#8217;ve sunk too?  The only label I will put any stock in is the one on the front of the book &#8220;The Holy Bible&#8221;.  My life has been spent in labeled churches and I have seen it all go bad at one point or another because of those labels which everyone HAS to have.  How many denominations and sub denominations do we need or can we invent?? Teach, learn and live from the Bible, GOD&#8217;S word not some multi-denominationally (cool word, could be a new denomination, huh?) group of people.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Blog ... good stuff. Please allow me some observations :)

Whenever the post modern church speaks about the modern church, they jump right to the extreme to make a point - boring monotone hymns. Whenever the modern church speaks about the post modern church, they likewise, jump right to the extreme - compromising God's Word in order to be trendy. It's human nature I guess, but the heart of the matter dwells well within the extremes I think.

I agree with modern worship. I agree with the coffee shop inside my church. I don't agree with Pastor's discussing their favorite alcoholic beverage with a group of people. I don't think there's anything wrong with at least a skeleton of a dress code inside a church (or at least the sanctuary).

So where do I fit in? Am I post modern, or modern? Am I only partially relevant?

I guess, for me, the only thing about the post modern church that I DON'T like ... is the fact that "they" felt it necessary to rename themselves, destroying the very unity they claim to be embracing. If a Pastor, or church leadership decides it time to make a few changes for the better, great! But don't rename yourself (the emerging church) and draw a line in the sand - only to ask people to become a part of their "better" church.

See what I mean? anyway ... just some thoughts.

milo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Blog &#8230; good stuff. Please allow me some observations <img src='http://negative99.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whenever the post modern church speaks about the modern church, they jump right to the extreme to make a point - boring monotone hymns. Whenever the modern church speaks about the post modern church, they likewise, jump right to the extreme - compromising God&#8217;s Word in order to be trendy. It&#8217;s human nature I guess, but the heart of the matter dwells well within the extremes I think.</p>
<p>I agree with modern worship. I agree with the coffee shop inside my church. I don&#8217;t agree with Pastor&#8217;s discussing their favorite alcoholic beverage with a group of people. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with at least a skeleton of a dress code inside a church (or at least the sanctuary).</p>
<p>So where do I fit in? Am I post modern, or modern? Am I only partially relevant?</p>
<p>I guess, for me, the only thing about the post modern church that I DON&#8217;T like &#8230; is the fact that &#8220;they&#8221; felt it necessary to rename themselves, destroying the very unity they claim to be embracing. If a Pastor, or church leadership decides it time to make a few changes for the better, great! But don&#8217;t rename yourself (the emerging church) and draw a line in the sand - only to ask people to become a part of their &#8220;better&#8221; church.</p>
<p>See what I mean? anyway &#8230; just some thoughts.</p>
<p>milo</p>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
		<link>http://negative99.com/faith/relevance-is-a-temptation/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>BA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NAIL...

HEAD....

You hit it!  Amen, Brother!</description>
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<p>HEAD&#8230;.</p>
<p>You hit it!  Amen, Brother!</p>
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